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		<title>Comment on Context-free Questions by Pete TerMaat</title>
		<link>http://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/16/context-free-questions/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete TerMaat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2003 02:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Laurent, to respond to your comments ...

Yes, your link points to the Phoenix checklist Andy and I were discussing.

Thanks for pointing out _About Face_.  I&#039;m a fan of the book and in other situations have lobbied for error handling policies such as the ones he advocates.

A little more context may help here though.  The application in question is software to program a pacemaker.  A cardiologist is allowed to enter conflicting parameter values into the GUI.  The fields and values are not constrained, because sometimes a handful of parameters interact and we don&#039;t want the user to have to worry about the order in which he/she sets the values.  At the same time, we want to warn the user of a &quot;bad&quot; input, because a life is at stake here.

Basically, when a field is changed to a &quot;bad&quot; value, we don&#039;t know whether:

a) The cardiologist accidentally chose an incorrect value.

b) The field change is part of a larger plan.  After the cardiologist changes a few more fields, the conflicts may be resolved.

In (a) we want to alert the cardiologist right away while the action is still fresh in his/her mind, whereas in (b) we don&#039;t.

What is constrained is the &quot;Send these values to the device&quot; operation.  That button is not enabled until the user sets all parameters to non-conflicting values.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laurent, to respond to your comments &#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, your link points to the Phoenix checklist Andy and I were discussing.</p>
<p>Thanks for pointing out _About Face_.  I&#8217;m a fan of the book and in other situations have lobbied for error handling policies such as the ones he advocates.</p>
<p>A little more context may help here though.  The application in question is software to program a pacemaker.  A cardiologist is allowed to enter conflicting parameter values into the GUI.  The fields and values are not constrained, because sometimes a handful of parameters interact and we don&#8217;t want the user to have to worry about the order in which he/she sets the values.  At the same time, we want to warn the user of a &#8220;bad&#8221; input, because a life is at stake here.</p>
<p>Basically, when a field is changed to a &#8220;bad&#8221; value, we don&#8217;t know whether:</p>
<p>a) The cardiologist accidentally chose an incorrect value.</p>
<p>b) The field change is part of a larger plan.  After the cardiologist changes a few more fields, the conflicts may be resolved.</p>
<p>In (a) we want to alert the cardiologist right away while the action is still fresh in his/her mind, whereas in (b) we don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>What is constrained is the &#8220;Send these values to the device&#8221; operation.  That button is not enabled until the user sets all parameters to non-conflicting values.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Agile Fusion Day 1 by Christian Sepulveda's Blog</title>
		<link>http://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/06/11/agile-fusion-day-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Sepulveda's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Nothing is Ever Obvious&lt;/strong&gt;

While a freshman in college, I took an introductory physics class where one of the professors, though a really nice person, insisted on using the adjective &quot;obvious&quot; to describe most concepts. Every now and then, something was &quot;more or less clear&quot; or &quot;...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Nothing is Ever Obvious</strong></p>
<p>While a freshman in college, I took an introductory physics class where one of the professors, though a really nice person, insisted on using the adjective &#8220;obvious&#8221; to describe most concepts. Every now and then, something was &#8220;more or less clear&#8221; or &#8220;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Nancy R. Fenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy R. Fenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a website full of resources and support for introverts and have discovered, among other things, that introverts love the Internet and predominate there.  The normal proportions of introvert to extrovert (30:70) reverse themselves in higher education and on the Internet to 70% introverts and 30% extroverts) so your conclusion doesn&#039;t surprise me.  Introversion is a legitimate personality type and it seems the Internet was made just for us!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a website full of resources and support for introverts and have discovered, among other things, that introverts love the Internet and predominate there.  The normal proportions of introvert to extrovert (30:70) reverse themselves in higher education and on the Internet to 70% introverts and 30% extroverts) so your conclusion doesn&#8217;t surprise me.  Introversion is a legitimate personality type and it seems the Internet was made just for us!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Learning Styles Culture-based? by Thoughts On Pragmatic Software Quality</title>
		<link>http://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/06/03/learning-styles-culture-based/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts On Pragmatic Software Quality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Teaching collaboration - overview&lt;/strong&gt;

There are quite a few aspects to this that I think are important. As I considered the comments posted here and other verbal comments that I have received, it has become clearer that I think the factors fall in to at least two main groups: &lt;b&gt;classroom ...&lt;/b&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Teaching collaboration &#8211; overview</strong></p>
<p>There are quite a few aspects to this that I think are important. As I considered the comments posted here and other verbal comments that I have received, it has become clearer that I think the factors fall in to at least two main groups: <b>classroom &#8230;</b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 16:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Celia hit the nail on the head with her definition of introvert vs. extrovert. There is quite a bit of stigma attached to these labels that may or may not have any factual (or predictive) basis. Although I would tend to agree that introverts are probably more comfortable in areas of software development that require a high level of solitude, this could be changing with more emphasis being placed on extreme programming ideas like pair programming. I will be interested to see if this type of human interaction for testers/developers in the industry as well as the classroom will attract and retain more extroverts in the field. (I know this is an old discussion Andy but just wanted to throw the idea out there in case you come across any literature.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celia hit the nail on the head with her definition of introvert vs. extrovert. There is quite a bit of stigma attached to these labels that may or may not have any factual (or predictive) basis. Although I would tend to agree that introverts are probably more comfortable in areas of software development that require a high level of solitude, this could be changing with more emphasis being placed on extreme programming ideas like pair programming. I will be interested to see if this type of human interaction for testers/developers in the industry as well as the classroom will attract and retain more extroverts in the field. (I know this is an old discussion Andy but just wanted to throw the idea out there in case you come across any literature.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Celia Redmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celia Redmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An introvert, by definition, is someone who gains energy by being alone. An extrovert finds solitude debilitating. Therefore, it&#039;s no surprise that jobs which require long periods of solitary concentration disproportionately attract and retain introverts. 

That doesn&#039;t mean to say that extroverts can never succeed in the field -- obviously. It just means that extroverts prefer a routine that gives them more opportunity to interact with people.

This might be a good time to clear up some myths. Extroversion does not imply disorganisation and introversion does not imply an inability to stand up for oneself. They are purely measures of gregriousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An introvert, by definition, is someone who gains energy by being alone. An extrovert finds solitude debilitating. Therefore, it&#8217;s no surprise that jobs which require long periods of solitary concentration disproportionately attract and retain introverts. </p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean to say that extroverts can never succeed in the field &#8212; obviously. It just means that extroverts prefer a routine that gives them more opportunity to interact with people.</p>
<p>This might be a good time to clear up some myths. Extroversion does not imply disorganisation and introversion does not imply an inability to stand up for oneself. They are purely measures of gregriousness.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Paul Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johanna,

You&#039;re absolutely right of course - these are generalizations, and I&#039;m very happy for any candidate to show me that they don&#039;t belong in this generalization (in fact the first two people I hired did just that!).  And equally I&#039;ve rejected perfectly good candidates because they were too introverted, and couldn&#039;t stand up for themselves in the kind of lively debate you suggest.

In the face of so many potential candidates, however, there are tendencies that I look for, and this is one of them.  It would be a problem if it were part of a pass/fail checklist (hires here must have a degree, which to me should be a &#039;good to have&#039;), but as an indicator I think it works out fine.

Cheers, Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right of course &#8211; these are generalizations, and I&#8217;m very happy for any candidate to show me that they don&#8217;t belong in this generalization (in fact the first two people I hired did just that!).  And equally I&#8217;ve rejected perfectly good candidates because they were too introverted, and couldn&#8217;t stand up for themselves in the kind of lively debate you suggest.</p>
<p>In the face of so many potential candidates, however, there are tendencies that I look for, and this is one of them.  It would be a problem if it were part of a pass/fail checklist (hires here must have a degree, which to me should be a &#8216;good to have&#8217;), but as an indicator I think it works out fine.</p>
<p>Cheers, Paul</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Johanna Rothman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna Rothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2003 05:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I&#039;m an extrovert, and extremely organized at work. I have several techniques I use to stay organized in the face of chaos, which is what happens to a lot of testers. Hiring a lot of introverted testers will certainly bring you a quiet group. But will it work when you have a cross-functional team, and the marketing people (more often extroverts) start screaming and shouting? It&#039;s useful to have someone else who likes to think out loud when others are also. I&#039;ll blog about this too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I&#8217;m an extrovert, and extremely organized at work. I have several techniques I use to stay organized in the face of chaos, which is what happens to a lot of testers. Hiring a lot of introverted testers will certainly bring you a quiet group. But will it work when you have a cross-functional team, and the marketing people (more often extroverts) start screaming and shouting? It&#8217;s useful to have someone else who likes to think out loud when others are also. I&#8217;ll blog about this too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Paul Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andy,

I&#039;ve been doing some interviewing on potential hires recently, and a certain amount of introversion is something I actually look for.  I associate extroverts with a certain lack of organization and attention (a generalization of course), which are not characteristics conducive to spending many hours doing the same kind of things in a systematic way.

There are definitely limits to this, and I think testers are more outgoing than developers as a whole (but less than the next step &#039;up&#039;, business analysts!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been doing some interviewing on potential hires recently, and a certain amount of introversion is something I actually look for.  I associate extroverts with a certain lack of organization and attention (a generalization of course), which are not characteristics conducive to spending many hours doing the same kind of things in a systematic way.</p>
<p>There are definitely limits to this, and I think testers are more outgoing than developers as a whole (but less than the next step &#8216;up&#8217;, business analysts!).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Esther Derby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esther Derby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Andy --

I&#039;ve also seen statistics that point to self-selection of introverts into software related fields.  As I recall, the dominant type is INTJ across software disciplines.  Introverts are definitely the minority in the general population.

Esther</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Andy &#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also seen statistics that point to self-selection of introverts into software related fields.  As I recall, the dominant type is INTJ across software disciplines.  Introverts are definitely the minority in the general population.</p>
<p>Esther</p>
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